Shocking photographs or are they pieces of art.

[Albion102]

You can't buy history was a jibe at Chelsea supporters.

Here it is for you in summary

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That'll be the history that two lots of rich americans have bought ?

[caveywavey]

Having seen some anti war protesters posters {which i shall not repost here} i can tell you that some pictures do go to far.Nothing wrong with taking pictures to record the horrors of war but to force them down you on the internet when you aren't prepared is going to far.I remember seeing a young girl facedown in the dirt after an American air attack{supposedly} the photographer had taken the photo from her head end down so you could plainly see the hollow skull through the hole in the top of her head & the brain on the floor a few inches away.If the aim of the picture was to shock,it worked.At the time my Daughter was the same age as the dead girl,how could i not have sympathy but i'll never get that picture out of my head.
I actually remember the news footage of the Vietnamese girl running down the road,it was shown at tea time on the 6 o clock news.How times have changed.I'm sure there's moving footage of the Vietcon prisoner being shot.I'm sure i remember that being shown on the news as well.I was so young but how could i forget it after seeing it happen? How times have changed,i doubt they would show it now?

I remember witnessing this incident below on the news at the age of 19 and bursting into tears at the footage shown. I found it so shocking, distressing and disturbing that it has never left me. However, it think it is right that such images are shown. I'd rather that than us become indifferent or disaffected by dumbed down reporting, but remain to be shocked by the horrors of war, any war.

The corporals killings was the killing of corporals David Robert Howes and Derek Tony Wood,[1] two British Army soldiers of the Royal Corps of Signals killed on 19 March 1988 in Belfast, Northern Ireland. The non-uniformed soldiers were killed by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), after they drove into the path of the funeral procession of an IRA volunteer.[2] Three days beforehand, loyalist gunman, Michael Stone had attacked an IRA funeral and killed three people. Believing it to be another loyalist attack, dozens of bystanders attacked the soldiers' car. During this, Corporal Wood brandished a gun and fired a shot in the air. The soldiers were then dragged from their vehicle, driven to nearby waste ground, stripped and shot dead.[3]

Because it was fully captured by television cameras, the incident has been described as one of the "most dramatic and harrowing images" of the conflict in Northern Ireland.[1]

[vanman]

I have seen a lady from South Africa burst into tears when she saw this money box.

It is known by the stamped name on the back Jolly ******

She was in shock.

[DixieRoy]

This picture was shot by Eddie Adams who won the Pulitzer prize with it. The picture shows Nguyen Ngoc Loan, South Vietnam's national police chief executing a prisoner who was said to be a Viet Cong captain. Once again the public opinion was turned against the war.

I am sure that I remember this as a piece of newsreel film, not a photograph. Without being too graphic, I remember seeing blood, and the victim falling to the floor.

edit added
I just checked it out, a TV film crew recorded the event, as the photo was being taken, quite horrific to say the least.

[Smythe]

That'll be the history that two lots of rich americans have bought ?

Context is a wonderful thing however that's a good response Don't wish to hijack this otherwise quite interesting thread with football talk any more.

[DixieRoy]

It never really happened though

Surely you are not that stupid are you?

Of course it happened.

[DixieRoy]

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
Nope

Smythe, watch the tv coverage of Apollo 11.
You will the three astronauts leave the gantry,and walk across to enter the spacecraft. I know one of the men who helped them climb in.
His name is George, and he is still alive and living in Florida.
He helped them in, and watch it take off, as he did with other Apollo missions.
It happened.

I have not said his surname, as that is private IMO.

[Smythe]

Surely you are not that stupid are you?

Of course it happened.

Only teasing Roy

But maybe I am a bit stupid?

[DixieRoy]

Only teasing Roy

But maybe I am a bit stupid?

Welcome to the club

Been stupid years according to my wife

[The Edge]

Only teasing Roy

But maybe I am a bit stupid?

Defo stupid, he supports Liverpool



By the way, your sig needs an edit, I actually think were pretty good at the moment

[vanman]

Defo stupid, he supports Liverpool



By the way, your sig needs an edit, I actually think were pretty good at the moment

I agree with that Mr the edge

But you must remember Mr Smythe is old news
and Vanman thinks Everton are doing great.

I have just been talking at lunch with Jack Rodwell he says his leg is doing fine after his rest in Dubie it has done him the world of good and Everton are going to be in the FA Cup final.

[Smythe]

Welcome to the club

Been stupid years according to my wife

Been a member of that club for some time I'm afraid Roy ... I wasn't stupid until I met mine either though Takes one to know one that's what I tell her!

[Smythe]

Defo stupid, he supports Liverpool



By the way, your sig needs an edit, I actually think were pretty good at the moment

Yes the operative being support, through thick and thin... I remember you jibbing footy altogether not two months ago when the chips were down. Going on about it's all about money, because Everton seemingly wouldn't spend any. Now they have and have some new signings you are suddenly interested again Fair weather that's called my blue friend, the signature remains to remind you of your wavering support

The peoples club... pah! When you can be bothered.

[Smythe]

I agree with that Mr the edge

But you must remember Mr Smythe is old news
and Vanman thinks Everton are doing great.

Antiquesman disagreed with you vanman two months ago

[Foo!]

I don't think shocking images should be hidden from the world; in first-world countries we're often shielded from the truly horrific things which happen elsewhere, and I think it can only be a positive thing if we're made aware of just how brutal life can be. Does that make it art? I don't know. To me, any photograph is art if it's stirring in some way; regardless of how shocking it may be.

I've always been fascinated by crime-scene photography. The images are often brutal, but the care and attention to detail is astounding. Life isn't a pretty place full of smiling bunny rabbits and endless rainbows, and the darker side of human nature shouldn't be shoved away in a box somewhere.

What always struck me about the photos of the Afghani girl is that her eyes are possibly the most beautiful I've ever seen. They're such simple photographs, yet capture human expression and emotion perfectly. That's art. Capturing a moment, however happy or sad, is art.

[kate1970]

... shocking or art?.. think this photo has become 'quiet iconic' of the riots?